Tactics Tuesday

Give your size up an incident operations based on what you see

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  • anchorpoint1 says:

    I really hate to Monday morning quarterback. BUT. I just yelled at the computer for 10min and 14sec. My defense for them is that it’s an abandoned building. It had to be. OK, let me follow the instructions.

    Chief Runs with Scissors is on scene, taking Austin St Command. 3 story building 20X30 fire in the attic. Tell L-1 if they can’t throw the stick, throw a ladder. There are 3 aerials at the scene let’s get one of them to cut the roof so we can get a line or 2 into the attic. We’ll hold off on venting below the fire until we’ve got water on it.
    OK, we failed at all that, surround and drowned.
    Fire up the deck guns, ladder pipes, Blitz fires, and solid stream 2 1/2′s and knock the crap out of it. We turn on the water and LEAVE IT ON until the red stuff is gone. Once you start with defensive there is no going back except to mop up.
    Now that it’s had a good burn and the fire’s out, ladder the crap out of it and send a truck company in with 1 Engine Company for overhaul and inspection. The attic area is probably a collapse hazard so do that from aerials after the other 3 floors are done.

  • Kevin says:

    They were making progress. It was occupied. I am betting it was converted to SRO’s. The 3 rd aerial had wires to contend with, they are barely visable, cause I thought the same thing stop throw the stick. Hey but one day we may all have this fire and can win the war :)

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ladderjack
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Anthony, Thank you for your response. I hope I didn't come off as saying that "I am the only opinion that matters in this paper." I agree with you 100% that there is no "Set" way to do anything, and that we need to keep our minds open to different techniques and thinking outside of…
2014-08-27 20:34:16
Ryan McGovern/ Ladderjack
“Go” Versus “No-Go” A Brief Look into Survivability Profiling
Ben, Thanks a lot for your comment! You're definitely right that there needs to be hoseline protection given to the guys working above the fire; and that a TIC should be utilized when attempting VES techniques. Every little thing we can do and engineer to make an already dangerous maneuver safer is a must! Thanks…
2014-08-27 20:25:20
Anthony Correia
“Go” Versus “No-Go” A Brief Look into Survivability Profiling
While VSP was written as an EFO paper, the paper it is not end all be all on this topic. In a presentation Marsars did last year, he himself said it wasn't 100%. Even gave an example of a fire in his home local where a person lived, that would of met unlikely survivability profiling.…
2014-08-27 19:24:24
Ben Waller
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...OK, it was 3 points, but who is counting?
2014-08-26 23:44:08
Ben Waller
“Go” Versus “No-Go” A Brief Look into Survivability Profiling
I agree, with two additional points. VIES of the tenable 2nd story windows should include the following - 1. A heavy Transitional attack in the 1st floor windows below the fire to protect the truckies' access, the ladders, and egress for truckies and (potential) victims. 2. Truckies take a thermal imaging camera and size up…
2014-08-26 23:43:33

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