Tactics Tuesday

This fire started in the garage and quickly moved interior. The fire was caused by a leaking fuel line on a truck. The house was a near total loss. Give your size up and tactics you would use for this fire

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  • Dave LeBlanc says:

    Single Story Wood frame – 30 x 60 with attached garage. Heavy fire in the garage area extending to the attic and residence.

    Gun job. I know the attack from the unburned portion theory, but my thoughts are that until some of that heavy fire is knocked, you anren’t going to make much progress.

    Hit it with the gun from the street and then stretch a 2 1/2 so you can hit the garage from low and attack up into that attic. Try and push everything through the garage to the rear.

    Second companiy in through the front door when some of the fir ehas been darked down and then shut down the outside streams and try and knock the rest from inside.

    Truck work is a must as the fire definitely has the attic.

  • Engine Captain Missouri says:

    Single story residential, garage fully involved, with extension to the structure, deck gun. One of our companies would pick up a plug on the way in, knock the main body of fire down with the gun as the handline is being stretched into the front door to cut this thing off. Additional companies on the first alarm, second jiffy to the interior, start hooking the ceiling, if you don’t open it up, you lose the roof completely. To agree with Dave, truck work is a must.

  • HallwaySledge says:

    What are these things called “deck guns” you speak of? Seriously, we do not have pre-piped guns on our Engines, no seriously. So in my situation, drop the 2 1/2″ skid load ( 3″ bed to a wye to 2 1/2″), Engine leads out to a hydrant. While the Engine leads I force the door (my backstep is getting the line ready) and it’s decision time.

    What do I see? Heavy smoke with no visible fire? Fire into the living space already? Door into the garage open or closed?

    No fire in the house, knock it from the outside and then move into the house. Fire in the house or gonna be in a second or two? Take the line through the house and have the second line off the wyes knock the garage.

  • anchorpoint1 says:

    Fire in an attached garage extended to single floor wood frame residential. First engine big line through the front door attack main body of fire from what would most likely be the kitchen. Second line from the front of the garage near the house, with the garage door already on the ground and a line from the inside there should be little chance of pushing fire into the house or onto the other crew. Truck work, yeah, get thermal imagers in there to check for extension. The entire roof line is suspect. Garage is a no firefighter zone until well after the fire is knocked down, the door fell and people use rafter space as storage for god knows what.
    Then find a way to inform amateur videographers that the fire department may be down the block, but if you are too busy recording your elderly neighbor’s tragedy to call them, they aren’t going to come.

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ladderjack
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Anthony, Thank you for your response. I hope I didn't come off as saying that "I am the only opinion that matters in this paper." I agree with you 100% that there is no "Set" way to do anything, and that we need to keep our minds open to different techniques and thinking outside of…
2014-08-27 20:34:16
Ryan McGovern/ Ladderjack
“Go” Versus “No-Go” A Brief Look into Survivability Profiling
Ben, Thanks a lot for your comment! You're definitely right that there needs to be hoseline protection given to the guys working above the fire; and that a TIC should be utilized when attempting VES techniques. Every little thing we can do and engineer to make an already dangerous maneuver safer is a must! Thanks…
2014-08-27 20:25:20
Anthony Correia
“Go” Versus “No-Go” A Brief Look into Survivability Profiling
While VSP was written as an EFO paper, the paper it is not end all be all on this topic. In a presentation Marsars did last year, he himself said it wasn't 100%. Even gave an example of a fire in his home local where a person lived, that would of met unlikely survivability profiling.…
2014-08-27 19:24:24
Ben Waller
“Go” Versus “No-Go” A Brief Look into Survivability Profiling
...OK, it was 3 points, but who is counting?
2014-08-26 23:44:08
Ben Waller
“Go” Versus “No-Go” A Brief Look into Survivability Profiling
I agree, with two additional points. VIES of the tenable 2nd story windows should include the following - 1. A heavy Transitional attack in the 1st floor windows below the fire to protect the truckies' access, the ladders, and egress for truckies and (potential) victims. 2. Truckies take a thermal imaging camera and size up…
2014-08-26 23:43:33

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